Grateful Dead Live at Greek Theatre, U. Of California on 1981-09-12
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Shakedown Street-> Greatest Story Ever Told, Friend Of The Devil-> El Paso, Bird Song-> Cassidy, Tennessee Jed-> Looks Like Rain, China Cat Sunflower-> I Know You Rider
Scarlet Begonias-> Fire On The Mountain-> CC Rider, Estimated Prophet-> Eyes Of The World-> Drums-> Not Fade Away-> Wharf Rat-> Around & Around-> One More Saturday Night, E: It's All Over Now Baby Blue, E: Good Lovin'*
Related Music (Beta) question-dark
Versions - Different performances of the song by the same artist
Compilations - Other albums which feature this performance of the song
Covers - Performances of a song with the same name by different artists
|Greatest Story Ever Told|
|Friend Of The Devil ->|
|Bird Song ->|
|Tennessee Jed ->|
|Looks Like Rain|
|China Cat Sunflower ->|
|I Know You Rider|
|Scarlet Begonias ->|
|Fire On The Mountain|
|C C Rider|
|Estimated Prophet ->|
|Eyes Of The World ->|
|Not Fade Away ->|
|Wharf Rat ->|
|Around And Around ->|
|One More Saturday Night|
|It's All Over Now, Baby Blue|
-- All disc changes are seamless
-- Recorded by Robert Wagner
-- Thanks to Joe B. Jones for his help with the pitch correction
- Cassette Master (Nakamichi DR-1) -> Sound Devices 744T (24bit/96k) -> Adobe Audition v3 -> Samplitude Professional v10.22 -> FLAC/16
- Berkeley, CA
- Run time
- Taped by
- Bob Wagner
- Transferred by
- Charlie Miller
Subject: It sounds like a hiss reduction recording to me
Subject: And the gods made love........
They come out the gate smokin hot and the first set is just wonderful. I love the set lists from this era. 2nd set has some great explorations and the drumming is especially tasty. Jerry is on fire throughout this show and the band is most certainly on top of their game.
I just love early 80's Dead.....its where I got on the bus. So this was the Dead's "cocaine phase".......but I find the music from this era high energy with technically great sound. Brent was new in the mix, the scene was still relatively small and intimate. Damn I miss those days.
This is a great audience recording and bless all you techies out there for your dedication to supreme sound. The Dead's sound was always cutting edge and 2nd to none. Many fine people worked hard at getting it down. Thanks to such forward thinking we can still listen to the music play :o)
Edit2011-12-30: Since one can only post once in these threads I'll just add to my original post.
OK. So I was right in detecting the Dolby pre-emphasis boost. No need to be defensive Charlie, audience recordings are inherently variable. I've made great ones and not so great ones. The not so great ones i haven't circulated when obviously superior ones are available. This is not the best version of this show, plain and simple. Nothing wrong with that.
Honestly Charlie, your efforts and contributions to GD tape collecting are exemplary, but this was a miss, not a hit. It does not "sound fine", especially in A/B listening comparison to the other versions I mention above. As an editor, you can't improve the source material you're given to work with, that's fine. But can we not have to pretend that because you transferred and edited it, that somehow automatically means it IS the best version, it isn't. Granted, you aren't the one promoting that idea, but in all my 35+ years of recording, trading, etc, one thing is certain, there are no taper gods, nobody ALWAYS has the best version. Happy New Year.
Ok Sir-Miss-Alot I'm not remotely off base. He did not decode the dolby just as I suspected. Do you you understand how Dolby B works? It applies a boost, a form of equalization curve, in a dynamic way (varies with volume levels) mostly to lower volume signals that are above 1khz. That's known as a pre emphasis boost. To get the original microphone signal back at the tape deck output, DE emphasis must be applied. If that isn't done, then all the boosted frequencies and tape noise remain. The effect is like an exaggerated equalization job.
For Dolby to perform as designed, the playback deck must have its Dolby calibration as correct as possible, speed as correct as possible, and be aligned with the track azimuth as originally recorded by the recording deck. If those are far enough off, the quality of the de emphasis application will be poor and the output sound will suffer as a result. There is no circumstance where leaving the Dolby B undecoded results in anything resembling optimum performance. It's ignorance of the technical facts to think so. If the playback deck being used can't be adjusted to achieve optimum playback of a tape made on a different machine, then different playback decks need to tried till a good match is found. That's why I sought out a Nakamichi Dragon. It's the single best playback cassette deck ever made. It aligns itself to the azimuth of the tape and its Dolby circuit is the best quality and calibration. If a Dragon doesn't get satisfactory playback, then the recording deck was way off to begin with.
If Charlie thought the post deemphasis output quality was poor, he should have tried other decks. Just flipping off the Dolby B switch was not an adequate solution to the problem. It doesn't do justice to what is actually ON the tape and could be retrieved.
Hey CatfishJohn222, um, you say I'm arrogant? Smug? lol!
I didn't pick apart the show, I pointed out a flawed transfer. It's possible to do better sounding transfer of this master source. Why wouldn't you want that to happen if you believe the performance to be so great?
If top quality sourcing, transferring and editing are the goal, because after all, the transfer job is what everyone will live for years to come, then what's wrong with pointing a less than top quality transfer job? What's smug about it? In order to have the credibility to make the criticism, I have to demonstrate that I know what I'm talking about right?
What is utterly perplexing is that no one has ever had a monopoly on quality or skills or 100% perfect track record, so why do you insist on praising a flawed piece of work?
Anyways thanks Charlie! I always look for your name on a source to listen to as it is probably the best version. You sure know what you're doin!
Subject: Good performance, good recording.
This is the best AUD source to listen to for this concert.
Subject: Fantastic show,
Thank You Charlie
Subject: Best of '81?
One for the ages...one of the great first set's of the latter day Dead. Garcia is in one of those "smack zones" he hit occasionally in the early 80's...he is en fuego throughout.
The opening Shakedown is funky and jammed out...Jerry really stretches things out. Very quickly it's clear that the makings are there for a special night. GSEt is its usual high energy self, with that little something extra on top...strangely enough, FOTD and El Paso are the tunes that cause the listener that something is really happening here. The slowed down FOTD, so often a bathroom break, catches fire thanks to Garcia, who just will not stop-actually puts together a hot little jam that gets kinda bluesy before the final return to the FOTD theme. What follows is my favorite El Paso, solely due to the energy of Garcia's neverending lead...check it out. So if two first set throwaways were that hot, what happens when they play something big like, say...Bird Song?It comes next. At this point Garcia is absolutely in the zone. Even his intro riffs have a little extra oomph. As soon as he's done singing the first verse, it is off to the races. He riffs on the theme for a minute before taking it beyond, stopping for a moment when he lights upon a riff that amuses him...at one point he almost gets into a 72 space, like a tiny little baby Tiger jam...at this point Jerry's energy is clearly rubbing off on the rest of the band. I am reminded in this Bird Song jam of why this show gave me new appreciation for Bobby's rhythm work...he is playing some cool stuff, trying to match Garcia's energy...at one point they get into a little groove together that is very cool. Jam twists and turns, no wasted moments until it finds its way home for the second verse and then Cassidy!As in El Paso, Jerry's guitar effectively has its own vocal line in this song...and not in an obnoxious or distracting way. It works. After "let the words be yours I'm done with mine" Garcia immediately takes the jam in a spacey direction, Bob eager to keep up. It is only about 90 seconds-2 minutes tops before it's back to "flight of the seabirds" and the end of the song, but a hot little jam it is!Bird Song and Cassidy are two of my favorite first set songs, and it's thrilling to hear them played so well back to back. I'd have to assume that these versions are among the best of the decade for both songs. After some tuning and spaced out Bobby banter, during which the hometown Greek crowd takes to chatting(which makes for good light entertainment on these Auds) Jerry telegraphs the Jed, then the band kicks into it for real a few seconds later. This is noteworthy only as yet another first set standard played to its fullest here, thanks to the guitar styling of one J. Garcia. Show me a hotter solo on an eighties T. Jed-I'd be thrilled to hear it!The Greek crowd roars its appreciation as he winds back into the final chorus. Bobby picks up LLRain out of the ashes of Jed-and since we all know that the best part of LLRain are the Jerry licks in the background, and since we've by now gotten the message that Jerry is ON tonight...should be a treat. Indeed, this stands as my favorite version of Looks Like Rain. I just listened to another hot 80's show, 09.11.82, which is also a Jerry show and also features an LLRain which is quite good...I can say definitively that this one is better. But the best is yet to come as this epic first set closes with China Cat>Rider(Shakedown, Bird Song, Cassidy, China>Rider...that's some set). China Cat comes on big and bold, colored by the fullness and majesty of Jerry's leads. The jam into Rider absolutely smokes. Burn these discs for the Bobby-lover in your house as this tape and the other excellent AUD of this show by Jim Wise both feature Weir high and clear in the mix, and playing some creative stuff, trying to work off of Garcia's energy. The Rider is big fun, as always-Jerry relishes the headlight, getting in some fanning before the cool Colorado rain. whew!
don't think I have enough reviewing left in me for the whole second set, but the Scarlet>Fire is too good to escape mention. a definite keeper. all of pre-drums is really quite goods...after drums there seems to me to be a definite dropoff. had this show on three discs for many years-wore out the first two while the third collected dust, more often than not.
ABSOLUTELY GET THIS SHOW!
Actually, it sounded so bad with the dolby on that I had doubts that it was even recorded with dolby.
Subject: One Smoking Show!
Thanks to all for the excellent job of taping, transferring, etc. And THANKS for SHARING!
This is choice stuff.
Subject: Best version so far
The show itself is truly excellent. Jerry is right on top of his game and plays some beautiful stuff throughout. I almost prefer the first set as it is played so well. A great West coast feel Shakedown, a scorching El Paso, Bird Song jam which digs in hard - I could go on.
Great second set too though. Love this version of Estimated > Eyes > Space.
Throughout the show the band sound into it & relaxed enough to let the jams go to some nice places. One of the best shows from '81 in my opinion.
Subject: classic show
Subject: SO WHAT IS THE BEST VERSION ?
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